Or 5MM or so inside if it's on a handling edge (breakaway rail or
whatever).
An interesting point was brought up earlier about rotation of components
costing money. I don't dispute this, but... can a CEM give a finite cost
difference accounting for this? I lose that argument with purchasing every
time when being driven to squeeze more money out of a product. We can
quantify boards in an array / arrays in a panel.
So for example, we can say that for sure we save 5 cents per board if we
rotate and nest PCB's in an array. We hear about it being a more
complicated set-up, but... If we offer to take a 5 cent hit on the PCB we
don't seem to get back 5 cents in the assembly cost, so we focus on what we
can quantify.
-Chris
Terry Kozlyk
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<[log in to unmask]> Subject: Re: [DC] Standard panel
size?...
07/29/2005 01:47 PM
Please respond to
"(Designers Council
Forum)"; Please respond to
Terry Kozlyk
Very good thread !!!
Also, don't forget that when placing your PCB onto a panel to ensure you
don't have connectors which overhand the edge of the panel. Ensure that the
PCB's are rotated such that the connector overhang is toward the inside of
the panel OR ensure that the connectors ( right angle of course ) don't sit
over the edge of the panel. Ensure that the edge of the physical connector
becomes the absolute edge of the PCB within the panel.
Regards
TDK
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Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 10:00 AM
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Subject: Re: [DC] Standard panel size?...
Great discussion...
I was talking with one of our board manufacturing vendors and he told me
that they use 18 x 24 and 21 x 24 for quick turns and 20 x 26; 24 x 24 and
24 x 28 in higher volume production for standard lead times.
I still don't exactly understand why but I can speculate that it may be
related to their having a dual approach to supporting their customers
needs... The normal production higher volume work may travel through the
plant in a different way using separate equipment that can handle the
larger
panels and the quick turn work may take a path through their equipment that
is optimized for those sizes and processes not commingling with the higher
volume work... hard to say for sure...
For some unknown reason long before I came here we settled on a standard
assembly panel size of 10 X 12 inches and we have been designing our boards
into them like that for the past 5 years that I have been here... It's not
the most efficient use of a 18 X 24 manufacturing panel to be sure...
That's
why I am looking at redesigning the panel configuration to be more cost
effective and still compatible with our assembly floor's capabilities...
Higher yields... lower cost per board.
Our solder paste screening machine has a limited depth of about 9.5 inches
of travel and that limits the number of individual boards I can put on the
assembly panel in either axis. Most of the other equipment, pick and place,
washing, wave solder, axial and radial inserters, test equipment, hand
stuffing second op workstations, etc...can handle larger dimensions. The
screening station in our case is the limiting factor. Having a longer panel
than 12 inches here does me no good.
Some folks are making their panels 8.2 X 11.2 inches and fitting them 'four
up' in an 18 x 24 panel with a .75 inch border around the perimeter and a
.100 inch routed separation between them.
Using V-scoring would gain an extra .050 on each edge of the panels if they
weren't routed. This is quite doable since our assembly panels are always
rectangular and with straight edges. We always orient the boards in our
panels in the same direction so the programming for pick and place is
easier
and screening and reflow or wave soldering are consistent from board to
board...
Some vendors want more space between the individual assembly panels on
their
manufacturing panel and prefer an inch border and .4 between assembly
panels
for their tooling, fixtures, holders and test coupons.
Making sure the panel size we end up with is efficient for ANY vendor we
use
is really my goal... and that does take a little research to find out what
limiting factors are common among the vendors.
So far it looks like the 8 X 11 size is pretty close to workable for most
any shop and is fairly efficient use of the manufacturing panels they
have... especially the 18 x 24 size...
Then when we do our assembly panel designs we will have to package them
into
the 8 X 11 size (or whatever size we finally settle on) with all the needed
fiducials, tooling holes etc...with clearances for machine holders, rails
and such for our assembly equipment designed into them. Then my challenge
will be to get the most efficient use of the space on our assembly
panels...
Thanks for the great comments
Bill Brooks - KG6VVP
PCB Design Engineer, C.I.D.+, C.I.I.
Tel: (760)597-1500 Ext 3772 Fax: (760)597-1510
Datron World Communications, Inc. _______________________________________
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