Boy, sounds like you're in Detroit or something ;-)
You folks that think he's kidding have never worked with the
UAW..........
--
George Patrick
Tektronix, Inc.
Central Engineering, Engineering Design Services
P.O. Box 500, M/S 39-512
Beaverton, OR 97077-0001
Phone: 503-627-5272 Fax: 503-627-5587
http://www.tektronix.com http://www.pcb-designer.com
It's my opinion, not Tektronix'
-----Original Message-----
From: DesignerCouncil [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Chris Ball
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 13:11
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [DC] "Designed in USA" (or perhaps a union graphic/logo on
pcb's instead)
We could all specialize! I can place parts but per the union guidelines,
I
can't route. You can route but DRC's can only be run by someone else,
who
can't correct them, etc... and anyway, I'm on break right now, but I
promise I'll place yer parts when I'm good and ready.... IF a DRC
operator
and a routing specialist are present. Sorry, it's union rules.... Oops.
Already placed my quota for today. I'm going to the restroom for a few
hours. Please leave the light off if you come in. I'll clock out when my
shift is over. Remember, starting tomorrow a DRC corrector and a master
document generator must also be present or I can't place parts.... Did
you
just leave a fingerprint on my screen?... I'm filing a grievance!
-Chris
George Patrick
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EK.COM> cc:
Sent by: DesignerCouncil Subject: Re:
[DC] "Designed in USA" (or
<[log in to unmask]> perhaps a
union graphic/logo on pcb's
instead)
11/10/2005 03:32 PM
Please respond to
"(Designers Council
Forum)"; Please respond to
george.h.patrick
Mike, I have one question for you:
Has the UAW prevented loss of American automotive jobs?
Neither would a PCB Design union :)
--
George Patrick
Tektronix, Inc.
Central Engineering, Engineering Design Services
P.O. Box 500, M/S 39-512
Beaverton, OR 97077-0001
Phone: 503-627-5272 Fax: 503-627-5587
http://www.tektronix.com http://www.pcb-designer.com
It's my opinion, not Tektronix'
-----Original Message-----
From: DesignerCouncil [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Howell Electronic Services
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 11:31
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [DC] "Designed in USA" (or perhaps a union graphic/logo on
pcb's instead)
Not many managers are going to like this but...
If there was a Union for designers, I would join because:
a. they would work to protect my job here in the usa (call me
xenophobic if you want)
b. ... your ideas on how a union would help Designers Council members
(not the Designers Counsel itself) go here ...
This Union would have a logo/graphic "bug" much like the printers union,
that indicated the design was done by a union member, which could be
inconspicuously placed on any board.
Regards-
Michael Howell
*Howell Electronic Services <http://home.earthlink.net/%7Emhowell777> *
4474 Hillcrest Road, Medford, OR 97504
541-734-2666 tel / 541-601-0887 cell
George Patrick wrote:
>Sorry, Cherie, but if you can't mark a board MADE IN USA unless every
>part is MADE IN USA (an absolute impossibility), is seems reasonable to
>any government weenie that it can't be marked DESIGNED IN USA unless
>everything used in the design was DESIGNED IN USA. Remember,
everything
>not specifically permitted is prohibited when you're dealing with the
>government...
>
>And you'll have the Department of Redundancy Department after you for
>arguing about it, too <:^)
>
>--=20
>George Patrick
>Tektronix, Inc.
>Central Engineering, Engineering Design Services
>P.O. Box 500, M/S 39-512
>Beaverton, OR 97077-0001
>Phone: 503-627-5272 Fax: 503-627-5587
>http://www.tektronix.com http://www.pcb-designer.com
>
>It's my opinion, not Tektronix'=20
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: DesignerCouncil [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
>Litson, Cherie
>Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 10:36
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: [DC] "Designed in USA"
>
>
>Excuse me???? (I can't let this one slip by.) Software does not
>"design" a board. It's just a tool that is used to do the work. Even
if
>you auto route, the "Designer" has to set up all the rules to make that
>work.
>
>Cherie
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: DesignerCouncil [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
>George Patrick
>Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 8:38 AM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: [DC] "Designed in USA"
>
>Depends on which software package you use, Gary. Can't have DESIGNED
IN
>USA on a board if you are using software programmed off shore :)
>
>--
>George Patrick
>Tektronix, Inc.
>Central Engineering, Engineering Design Services P.O. Box 500, M/S
>39-512 Beaverton, OR 97077-0001
>Phone: 503-627-5272 Fax: 503-627-5587
>http://www.tektronix.com http://www.pcb-designer.com
>
>It's my opinion, not Tektronix'=20
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: DesignerCouncil [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Gary
>M. Koven
>Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 06:29
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: [DC] "Designed in USA"
>
>
>Most of us in the USA who've been designing boards for several years
>might remember when we could put "MADE IN USA" on our boards and we did
>so with pride.
>
>
>
>Then in 1997 the Federal Trade Commission issued their "ENFORCEMENT
>POLICY STATEMENT ON U.S. ORIGIN CLAIMS (Federal Trade Commission,
>December 1997)".
>You can Google it and read all the legalese.
>
>
>
>Since then, except for the exceedingly rare situation whereby a company
>fabricates all its glass and assembles all its components totally in
the
>USA, we can't, and don't, put "MADE IN USA" on our boards any more.
>
>
>
>But how about "DESIGNED IN USA"? Is anybody in this forum putting
>"DESIGNED IN USA" on their boards? That would seem to be permissible
>within the legalese of the FTC document under Section B, "Claims about
>Specific Processes or Parts".
>
>
>
>Or have our oligarchs, with their offshoring of PCB assembly, already
>rendered "DESIGNED IN USA" also a dead horse?
>
>
>
>
>
>Best Regards,
>
>
>
>----------------------------
>
>Gary M. Koven, C.I.D.
>
>Dynazign, Inc.
>
>Charlotte, NC, USA
>
>Veteran of the Marsh School
>
>
>
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