My employer, so far, has been unwilling to pay for this because they see it
as more a benefit to me and my resume' instead of the company. I guess
that means they are satisfied with my performance these last 12 years. I
have a new manager and I am trying again to get it through him. If not, I
will check with human resources for the education reimbursement option. If
I still can't get them to do it, I will pay for it myself and use vacation
time. I still have to find a close location during the summer when the
kiddo isn't in school.
Dee Stover
At 09:01 AM 6/30/2004 -0700, you wrote:
>I guess that's my queue to jump in...
>
>As long as I can remember, a designer's resume was the only document that
>represented his/her level of expertise. Now, I have been doing this a long
>time, since 1973, so I have seen a number of résumé's come across my desk
>for evaluation and recommendation. I have watched people with fine résumé's
>get hired and fired in the matter of a few weeks because the interview or
>resume' did not reveal a deep lack of knowledge or work ethic in an
>individual that only showed up in the work environment. I watched people
>actually lie to the interviewer and we only really found out that they were
>lying after they had been there for awhile fumbling or making inexperienced
>mistakes. So, we started testing applicants. We never had a problem after
>that. The potential candidates were asked to perform what they said they
>could perform, and if they wanted the job they showed us what they could do.
>
>
>The C.I.D. certificate is not given out for money, or bribery, or some sort
>of subterfuge, but is ...earned... by showing the designer community that
>you know what you know.
>
>The hiring mangers know this too now, and are using the CID as a hiring
>criteria in many cases. The CID does mean something, and it has earned the
>respect of the companies that have paid for the designers they have to take
>the test and get the certification too. The designers who were brave enough
>to step up and be tested have earned the right to wear their CID mark with
>real pride. You will notice they have it following their signatures and on
>their business cards.
>
>I equate this certification with the P.E. certificate that is awarded
>Professional Engineers. They go through a similar process to get their
>certification and it is recognized as an indication of their level of
>knowledge in engineering.
>
>The C.I.D. is the ONLY certificate a PCB designer can get that sets them
>apart from the 'Wannabee' designers, drafters, and techs... and it is
>respected by companies and designers in the industry who know what it takes
>to pass the exam. That is why it is a highly prized and respected
>certificate and the Designers Council, made up of PCB designers and
>Engineers, is committed to always keep it that way.
>
>That does not mean that anyone who does not have the certificate is not
>qualified... They just have not been tested and certified. Certainly if they
>were certified there would be no question as to their knowledge level. And
>once tested they can compare that level with others who were brave enough to
>have stepped forward and put their reputation on the line by testing and
>certification.
>
>The successful designers studied hard and even though the information may
>seem to be simple and 'common knowledge' to many, you would be surprised how
>many had difficulty with simple questions... The ones who did not pass
>either did not study or just had no knowledge of the subject. After going
>back and studying, they usually passed the second time they tested.
>When I took the exam I was so keyed up and wanted to make sure I had it all
>down before the exam, that there was a great deal of concern in my demeanor
>and stress over the exam. I was not alone in this feeling, there were
>designers who would not test at all who walked out because they realized
>they were not ready for the test... there were those who cried tears over
>the stress of getting tested, its not a 'walk in the park'. If I remember
>correctly I missed 6 out of the 104 questions... so don't discount the
>validity of the test or its difficulty, but realize that you can pass it
>with study and hard work. It is truly a measure of the designers experience
>level and their knowledge level and can be a very good thing to have on your
>resume'.
>
>Best regards,
>
>Bill Brooks
>PCB Design Engineer , C.I.D., C.I.I.
>Tel: (760)597-1500 Ext 3772 Fax: (760)597-1510
>http://pcbwizards.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Lum Wee Mei [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 5:50 PM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: [DC] C.I.D.Certification Exam
>
>Steve,
>
>I can fully understand your feeling. When I show my colleagues both the
>Basic and Advanced IPC Designer Guides, they are completely stumped by
>the "whirlpool" of information and the numbers of standards that they
>have to know and have great reserve in taking the exam up to today. At
>least you make the first step to take it.
>
>In my opinion, awarded with the C.I.D certificate is nothing great. What
>great and of utmost importance is how well we can correlate and use the
>learned knowledge into your work for better improvement and
>self-devlopment. In this world, not all of us are born "examination
>smart". On the other hand, it is sad to observe that experience cannot
>be quantified without a certificate.
>
>Regards,
>Wee Mei
>
>Steve Smith wrote:
>
> >The test questions on the disk are a fair representation of the questions
>on the test.
> >How hard is it? I have seen designers with 15 years of experience fail and
>rookies
> >with virtually no board experience pass, so it really depends on how well
>you know
> >the material and how well you test.
> >
> >My regards,
> >Steve Smith, C.I.D.
> >Product Engineer
> >
> >Staco Energy Products Co.
> >301 Gaddis Boulevard.
> >Dayton, OH 45403
> >Telephone: (937) 253-1191 Ext. 158
> >Fax: (937) 253-1723
> >E-mail: [log in to unmask]
> >Web Site: www.stacoenergy.com
> >& www.stacopower.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: DesignerCouncil [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On
> >>Behalf Of alice
> >>zhang
> >>Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 2:04 AM
> >>To: [log in to unmask]
> >>Subject: [DC] C.I.D.Certification Exam
> >>
> >>
> >>I just signed in C.I.D. Certification Exam. I really want to
> >>know how the exam is. Is it hard to pass? What kind of
> >>questions are they?
> >>
> >>Thanks
> >>
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