Having come from along family line of union stewards I can proudly say
that they certainly helped shape America. But as with any unyielding
Bureaucracy, it eventually becomes self defeating.
James M. Walton
Mngr, PCB Development
Gentex Corp.
616-772-1590 x622
-----Original Message-----
From: DesignerCouncil [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Scott Riley
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 4:11 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [DC] "Designed in USA" (or perhaps a union graphic/logo on
pcb's instead)
Several years ago while working at a flex shop I received a design from
a guy at a very large company. While running the DRC's I noticed a tiny
image in a corner of the part. Closer inspection revealed it was the
green, round guy on the cover of "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy"
flipping the bird.
He claimed it was a test coupon for checking line resolution.....worked
for me. Maybe a little image rather than text would still get the point
across without violating some gov't rule. If you can put a logo on a
board, why not a small land shaped like the USA ?
After spend a couple years in the UAW I think I'd take a pass on the
union.
Scott D. Riley
Technical Design Service
607-658-9322 - Office
607-785-1696 - FAX
www.techdesignservice.com
-----Original Message-----
From: DesignerCouncil [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Howell Electronic Services
Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 2:31 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [DC] "Designed in USA" (or perhaps a union graphic/logo on
pcb's instead)
Not many managers are going to like this but...
If there was a Union for designers, I would join because:
a. they would work to protect my job here in the usa (call me
xenophobic if you want) b. ... your ideas on how a union would help
Designers Council members (not the Designers Counsel itself) go here ...
This Union would have a logo/graphic "bug" much like the printers union,
that indicated the design was done by a union member, which could be
inconspicuously placed on any board.
Regards-
Michael Howell
*Howell Electronic Services <http://home.earthlink.net/%7Emhowell777> *
4474 Hillcrest Road, Medford, OR 97504 541-734-2666 tel / 541-601-0887
cell
George Patrick wrote:
>Sorry, Cherie, but if you can't mark a board MADE IN USA unless every
>part is MADE IN USA (an absolute impossibility), is seems reasonable to
>any government weenie that it can't be marked DESIGNED IN USA unless
>everything used in the design was DESIGNED IN USA. Remember,
>everything not specifically permitted is prohibited when you're dealing
>with the government...
>
>And you'll have the Department of Redundancy Department after you for
>arguing about it, too <:^)
>
>--=20
>George Patrick
>Tektronix, Inc.
>Central Engineering, Engineering Design Services
>P.O. Box 500, M/S 39-512
>Beaverton, OR 97077-0001
>Phone: 503-627-5272 Fax: 503-627-5587
>http://www.tektronix.com http://www.pcb-designer.com
>
>It's my opinion, not Tektronix'=20
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: DesignerCouncil [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
>Litson, Cherie
>Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 10:36
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: [DC] "Designed in USA"
>
>
>Excuse me???? (I can't let this one slip by.) Software does not
>"design" a board. It's just a tool that is used to do the work. Even
>if you auto route, the "Designer" has to set up all the rules to make
>that work.
>
>Cherie
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: DesignerCouncil [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
>George Patrick
>Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 8:38 AM
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: [DC] "Designed in USA"
>
>Depends on which software package you use, Gary. Can't have DESIGNED
>IN USA on a board if you are using software programmed off shore :)
>
>--
>George Patrick
>Tektronix, Inc.
>Central Engineering, Engineering Design Services P.O. Box 500, M/S
>39-512 Beaverton, OR 97077-0001
>Phone: 503-627-5272 Fax: 503-627-5587
>http://www.tektronix.com http://www.pcb-designer.com
>
>It's my opinion, not Tektronix'=20
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: DesignerCouncil [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
>Gary M. Koven
>Sent: Thursday, November 10, 2005 06:29
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: [DC] "Designed in USA"
>
>
>Most of us in the USA who've been designing boards for several years
>might remember when we could put "MADE IN USA" on our boards and we did
>so with pride.
>
>
>
>Then in 1997 the Federal Trade Commission issued their "ENFORCEMENT
>POLICY STATEMENT ON U.S. ORIGIN CLAIMS (Federal Trade Commission,
>December 1997)". You can Google it and read all the legalese.
>
>
>
>Since then, except for the exceedingly rare situation whereby a company
>fabricates all its glass and assembles all its components totally in
>the USA, we can't, and don't, put "MADE IN USA" on our boards any more.
>
>
>
>But how about "DESIGNED IN USA"? Is anybody in this forum putting
>"DESIGNED IN USA" on their boards? That would seem to be permissible
>within the legalese of the FTC document under Section B, "Claims about
>Specific Processes or Parts".
>
>
>
>Or have our oligarchs, with their offshoring of PCB assembly, already
>rendered "DESIGNED IN USA" also a dead horse?
>
>
>
>
>
>Best Regards,
>
>
>
>----------------------------
>
>Gary M. Koven, C.I.D.
>
>Dynazign, Inc.
>
>Charlotte, NC, USA
>
>Veteran of the Marsh School
>
>
>
>
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