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Re: BGA Routing Strategy
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Sorry, Bill.  Bad day (:^]

--
George Patrick
Tektronix, Inc.
Central Engineering,  M/S 39-512
P.O. Box 500
Beaverton, OR 97077-0001
Phone: 503-627-5272   Fax: 503-627-5587   Page: 503-575-9587
http://www.tektronix.com    http://www.pcb-designer.com

It's my opinion, not Tektronix'



-----Original Message-----
From: Brooks,Bill [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 14:47 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [DC] BGA Routing Strategy


Didn't mean to 'Tick u off', George.... :)

By way of explanation,
I advertise the meeting on the national board just like everyone else
does....so others in the DC know what's going on in San Diego.... You
certainly can contact Tony Shoot yourself and see if he wants to come to
your area and do a presentation there... :)

In Fact, I think he would LOVE to do that.... So don't be upset with the
messenger...ok? Contact Tyco and get your chapter a date with them... they
have a number of educational activities going that your chapter can arrange
to take advantage of...

Oh and I am not keeping the data from anyone that requests it... I even sent
you a copy.... but Tony did not give me permission to post his material on
the web or send it out like spam to the whole world.... he just said to
forward it to those who requested it.... That's what I have done, in good
faith to Tony.

Cheers!

Bill Brooks
PCB Design Engineer , C.I.D., C.I.I.
TITAN SYSTEMS CORPORATION
DATRON WORLD COMMUNICATIONS DIVISION
3030 Enterprise Court,Vista, CA 92083
Tel: (760)597-1500 Ext 3772 Fax: (760)597-1510
Adjunct Instructor - PCB Design
Palomar College, 1440 West Mission Road
San Marcos, CA 92069-1487
http://www.palomar.edu/
Member of the IPC Designers Council
http://dc.ipc.org/
Executive Board
Steering Committee
Education Committee
San Diego Chapter of the IPC Designers Council Core Group
Board of Directors, Communications Officer and Webmaster
<http://www.ipc.org/SanDiego/>
<http://home.fda.net/bbrooks/pca/pca.htm








-----Original Message-----
From: [log in to unmask]
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Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 2:32 PM
To: [log in to unmask]; [log in to unmask]
Subject: RE: [DC] BGA Routing Strategy



<OPINION>
That's really great for people who don't live in San Diego.  Why advertise
your meeting on the national list and then refuse to offer a resource to
other areas when they ask.  If you don't want other designers to ask for the
information, don't advertise it on the national list.

I thought one of the primary "missions" of the Designer's Council was to
encourage information exchange between designers.  Not just San Diego
designers, not Just Designer Council designers, ALL designers.
</OPINION>

--
George Patrick
Tektronix, Inc.
Central Engineering,  M/S 39-512
P.O. Box 500
Beaverton, OR 97077-0001
Phone: 503-627-5272   Fax: 503-627-5587   Page: 503-575-9587
http://www.tektronix.com    http://www.pcb-designer.com

It's my opinion, not Tektronix'



-----Original Message-----
From: Brooks,Bill [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 14:00 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [DC] BGA Routing Strategy


Tony didn't offer it for publication on my website, but he did tell me to
forward it to who ever wanted a copy... Frankly, I am getting inundated with
requests... All I can do is answer them one at a time... sorry. The file he
gave me is incomplete but has about 31 frames of his presentation... if you
want the whole story, you will have to come to San Diego to the meeting and
get it in person... :)

- Bill Brooks


-----Original Message-----
From: [log in to unmask]
[mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 1:54 PM
To: [log in to unmask]; [log in to unmask]
Subject: RE: [DC] BGA Routing Strategy


Bill:

Emailing it to everyone seems a major waste of bandwidth.

Why doesn't Tony place the presentation on Tyco PCB's web site.

If he can't do that, you could put it on your website (personal or IPCDC)
with credit to him.

If you don't want to do that, I could put it on my site, again with credit
to him

--
George Patrick
Tektronix, Inc.
Central Engineering,  M/S 39-512
P.O. Box 500
Beaverton, OR 97077-0001
Phone: 503-627-5272   Fax: 503-627-5587   Page: 503-575-9587
http://www.tektronix.com    http://www.pcb-designer.com

It's my opinion, not Tektronix'



-----Original Message-----
From: Brooks,Bill [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 13:15 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [DC] BGA Routing Strategy


As you may have noticed... the forum strips attachments off the e-mail
before re-broadcasting to the world... So I have been sending the
presentation to the requesters directly... :-)
- Bill Brooks

Bill Brooks
PCB Design Engineer , C.I.D., C.I.I.
Tel: (760)597-1500 Ext 3772 Fax: (760)597-1510
mailto:[log in to unmask] <http://www.dtwc.com/>
Member of: IPC Designers Council Executive Board, Steering Committee,
Education Committee, and San Diego Chapter Board of Directors
<http://www.ipc.org/SanDiego/>
http://dc.ipc.org/
<http://home.fda.net/bbrooks/pca/pca.htm



-----Original Message-----
From: Kitty Hines [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Friday, June 14, 2002 8:45 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: [DC] BGA Routing Strategy


Here is an excellent publication about BGA Routing.  It may help
someone...it helped me.  But I would also like to hear Tony's Routing
Strategies, could you post to the forum?
Thank You,
Kitty

-----Original Message-----
From: Lum Wee Mei [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2002 8:36 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [DC] FW: Next meeting of the IPC Designers Council,San
Diego Chapter


Hi, there :

How I wish I am living in the same part of the world as you guys. You
have all the
opportunities to learn out there. Being in the other part of the world,
it is not possible for
me to attend this wonderful forum.

If possible, I would appreciate Tony to share the notes on "BGA Routing
Strategies" with me.

Best regards
Wee Mei Lum
Associate Engineer
DSO National Laboratories

"Brooks,Bill" wrote:

> > Meeting Notice - Meeting Notice - Meeting Notice - Meeting Notice -
> > Meeting Notice
> >
> > The next meeting of the IPC Designers Council, San Diego Chapter
will be
> > held at the NEW Facilities of Overland Data, San Diego, CA. at
6:00PM on
> > Tuesday, June 25th, 2002. Entrance to the building is in the central
> > breezeway area under the stairs. A member will be monitoring the
door to
> > help guide guests in to the conference room and food court areas.
> >
> > Our Guest Speaker will be Tony Shoot of TYCO Electronics PCB Group
on "BGA
> > Routing Strategies"
> > Mr. Tony Shoot is the Sr. Applications Engineer at Tyco Printed
Circuit
> > Group, West Coast Operations. Tony has 21 years experience in the
Printed
> > Circuit Board Manufacturing Industry.
> > A brief description of what Tony will be covering follows:
> >
> > "The initial focus is on routing a 1mm (.039), 1849 I/O count BGA.
The
> > fundamentals are then applied to .8, .75 and .5 mm BGA.  With this
> > information, and the steps we teach, an engineer should be able to
look at
> > a part, determine preliminary layer count needed to route, and
whether the
> > need for blind, buried, micro vias or conventional technology would
> > apply."
> >
> > The date: Tuesday, June 25th, 2002 @ 6:00PM @ Overland Data in San
Diego,
> > CA
> >
> >
> > Meeting Agenda:
> > 6:00PM-6:30PM Dinner - (be prompt or you miss out!)
> > 6:30PM-6:45PM SDDC announcements, business, and introductions
> > 6:45PM-7:45PM - Tony Shoot - BGA Routing Strategies
> > 7:45PM-8:00PM Questions/answers - conclusion
> >
> > This event will be held at:
> > Overland Data
> > 4820 Overland Avenue
> > San Diego, California 92123
> > 1-800-729-8725
> > 1-858-571-5555
> >
> > Directions:
> > From Los Angeles:
> > From the 5 Fwy south, take the 805 Fwy South exit on the left.
> >  Approximately 6 miles later, exit at the Clairemont Mesa Blvd.
> >  West/Clairemont Mesa Blvd. East exit. Go East. Turn right onto
> >  Clairemont Mesa Blvd. Turn right onto Overland Avenue. Overland
> >  Data is located on the right side of Overland Avenue.
> >
> > From the Border on I-5 North:
> >  From the 5 Fwy North, take the 15 Fwy North exit towards
> >  Riverside for approx. 3 miles. Then take the 805 Fwy North exit
> >  towards Los Angeles. Turn a slight left at the intersection of
> >  I-8 East/I-8 West ramp to stay on the 805 Fwy North. Take the
> >  163 Fwy North towards Escondido. Exit at the Clairemont Mesa
> >  Blvd. West/Clairemont Mesa Blvd. East exit. Go East. Keep right
> >  at the fork in the ramp. Turn right onto Clairemont Mesa Blvd.
> >  Turn right onto Overland Avenue. Overland Data is located on
> >  the right side of Overland Avenue.
> >
> >  From I-15 going South:
> >  Take the Clairemont Mesa Blvd. exit and turn right onto
> >  Clairemont Mesa Blvd. Turn left onto Overland Avenue. Overland Data
is
> > located on the right side of Overland Avenue.
> >
> > Important!!!! -  RSVP to [log in to unmask] prior to Monday,
June
> > 24th, 2002.
> >  * Dinner will be served!! @ 6:00PM *
> > We need to get your RSVP to plan on food and seating.
> >
> > IPC Designers Council Members will be admitted free of charge,
Non-Members
> > will be asked to contribute a $5.00 donation at the door.
Contributors
> > will get a $5.00 discount applied to their membership should they
decide
> > to join the IPC Designers Council at the event.
> >  For the HTML version of this announcement please visit
> > http://www.ipc.org/SanDiego/   and click on "Events Schedule" and
follow
> > the prompts.
> > More information about the IPC Designers Council is available
on-line at
> > http://www.ipc.org/SanDiego/  or http://dc.ipc.org/
> >
> > Bill Brooks
> > PCB Design Engineer , C.I.D., C.I.I.
> > TITAN SYSTEMS CORPORATION
> > DATRON WORLD COMMUNICATIONS DIVISION
> > 3030 Enterprise Court,Vista, CA 92083
> > Tel: (760)597-1500 Ext 3772 Fax: (760)597-1510
> > Adjunct Instructor - PCB Design
> > Palomar College, 1440 West Mission Road
> > San Marcos, CA 92069-1487
> > http://www.palomar.edu/
> > Member of the IPC Designers Council
> > http://dc.ipc.org/
> > Executive Board
> > Steering Committee
> > Education Committee
> > San Diego Chapter of the IPC Designers Council Core Group
> > Board of Directors, Communications Officer and Webmaster
> > <http://www.ipc.org/SanDiego/>
> > <http://home.fda.net/bbrooks/pca/pca.htm
> >
> >
>
>
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