Thanks, Ron. I shall add you to the conspiracy <:^)
--
George Patrick
Tektronix, Inc.
Central Engineering, PCB Design Group
P.O. Box 500, M/S 39-512
Beaverton, OR 97077-0001
Phone: 503-627-5272 Fax: 503-627-5587
http://www.tektronix.com http://www.pcb-designer.com
It's my opinion, not Tektronix'
-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Olinyk [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 08:50
To: (Designers Council Forum); Patrick, George H
Subject: Re: [DC] Online Land Pattern Calculator
I'm interested in helping the cause as well -although like everyone else,
available time is limited. Most of my programming experience is in Visual
Basic for CAD applications but have HTML and web page design experience as
well as a need to do more Javascripting.
I don't think the actual coding should be that difficult since most of the
formulas and landpattern details are already known. Getting the thing to
run without error may be the tricky part. I would suggest though that some
measure of data entry checking be added. If I recall correctly, the old
online forms allowed you to enter values outside of the norm and generate a
bad part without any feedback.
Another problem might be finding a server to host the thing. Not sure how
many hits the original service had but if alot of people start accessing it
it could overload someone's limited server.
Put me on your list George.
...may the revolt begin... :)
Ron Olinyk
Mindlink Technologies
At 11:35 AM 08/04/05, you wrote:
>Thanks Lynn, Jack (and Bill).
>
>I don't know if the original site was JavaScript or a CGI Perl/PHP program
>anyway. Since it's not in use, and unlikely to be in use in the future, it
>should be public domain but probably isn't. Is there anyone on the DC
>executive board that wants to support the members and maybe find out about
>this?
>
>I am going to set up a mailing list in my domain so everybody involved can
>email back and forth without bogging down the IPC server, I am on vacation
>next week and plan to get started the week after. If anyone has some ideas
>about how you want this setup, let me know.
>
>The more people that help out on this, the quicker it's going to be done :)
>
>--
>George Patrick
>Tektronix, Inc.
>Central Engineering, PCB Design Group
>P.O. Box 500, M/S 39-512
>Beaverton, OR 97077-0001
>Phone: 503-627-5272 Fax: 503-627-5587
>http://www.tektronix.com http://www.pcb-designer.com
>
>It's my opinion, not Tektronix'
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jack C. Olson [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 07:59
>To: (Designers Council Forum); Patrick, George H
>Cc: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Online Land Pattern Calculator
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>I would like to be involved.
>
>The next part of my self-paced web designin' education is "FORMS" anyway,
>gotta learn it.
>
>I wonder, what are the odds of getting a copy of the old calculator source
>code?
>
>Do you think it should be considered public domain?
>
>How can we get it?
>
>Any IPC heavies out there?
>
>(who still have the free-sharing for the common good spirit?)
>
>(and access to the server? heheh...)
>
>
>Jack
>
>(the "70's teen who wondered where everyone went" guy)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> George Patrick
> <george.h.patrick
> @EXGATE.TEK.COM>
> Sent by: To
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>
>
> 04/07/2005 04:03
> PM
>
> Subject
> Please respond to Re: [DC] PCB TECHNOLOGY (2 oz
> "(Designers copper)
> Council Forum)"
> <DesignerCouncil@
> IPC.ORG>; Please
> respond to
> george.h.patrick@
> EXGATE.TEK.COM
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>Jack:
>
>What I had envisioned is a main page linking to separate pages for each
>type
>of part. Each subpage would have the form elements (text boxes, pulldowns,
>etc) needed to input and output the required design information, including
>the stuff to fine tune for a particular company's process. This could be
>done by anyone who knows HTML or one of the HTML editors (like Front Page).
>The JavaScript code to stitch them together and perform the calculations
>would be added by others.
>
>No storage, approval process, or frills. Just a basic calculator (Sort of
>on the order of the trace width calculator on my site.) Since it would be
>based on each a page for each device type, it would lend itself to as many
>people who wanted to volunteer. I would think a minimum of 6 or 7, anyway.
>
>
>Perhaps not enough people know JavaScript or HTML to do this, but I don't
>have the time for this to be just my project. I guess I'm still in the
>60's, when it still was OK to do things just because it was good for
>others,
>not because you could corner the market.
>
>Old hippies never die, they just disappear in a puff or smoke <:^}
>
>--
>George Patrick
>Tektronix, Inc.
>Central Engineering, PCB Design Group
>P.O. Box 500, M/S 39-512
>Beaverton, OR 97077-0001
>Phone: 503-627-5272 Fax: 503-627-5587
>http://www.tektronix.com http://www.pcb-designer.com
>
>It's my opinion, not Tektronix'
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jack C. Olson [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 07:53
>To: (Designers Council Forum); Patrick, George H
>Cc: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: [DC] PCB TECHNOLOGY (2 oz copper)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Hi George,
>
>Well, its no stretch of the imagination to think that if IPC is
>collaborating with PCBLibraries on IPC-7351, then they are certainly not
>going to initiate or support anything that looks competitive, which is
>probably why we haven't heard a peep from anyone official about the online
>calculator. Who knows what kind of agreements they made already?
>
>So, we have probably lost that free service forever. We heard it from the
>top, "BUSINESS IS WAR", right? sucks eggs...
>
>Anyhoo, I didn't dare volunteer because I have no idea what you are talking
>about... just kidding! But I don't have good web-programming experience,
>and I don't have a good idea of what it would take to at least get the
>simple functionality working again like it was before. All I know how to do
>is scan my kid's artwork or a photo and slap it into the family webpage. (
>http://frontdoor.biz )
>
>So if you are one of those web-design gurus, what is the perfect number of
>people (enough that no one is overwhelmingly burdened, not so many that
>"too many cooks spoil the pot") and how would you split up the tasks? What
>ARE the tasks, anyway?
>
>Jack (the "afraid of commitment" kinda guy)
>
>
>
>
>
>
> George Patrick
> <george.h.patrick
> @EXGATE.TEK.COM>
> Sent by: To
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>
> 04/06/2005 06:01
> PM
>
> Subject
> Please respond to Re: [DC] PCB TECHNOLOGY (2 oz
> "(Designers copper)
> Council Forum)"
> <DesignerCouncil@
> IPC.ORG>; Please
> respond to
> george.h.patrick@
> EXGATE.TEK.COM
>
>
>
>
>
>Caterpillar: Confidential Green Retain Until: 05/06/2005
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> Matters/Administration
>
>
>Come on, Jack. Don't get me started about this stuff again :)
>
>By the way, y'all, only one person volunteered to help out with the
>revision
>of the land pattern website to match the new standard, including the DC
>executive board. From the underwhelming response, I will probably just do
>a
>version for in-house use. I guess it's time to join the "what's in it for
>me" crowd ;>
>
>--
>George Patrick
>Tektronix, Inc.
>Central Engineering, PCB Design Group
>P.O. Box 500, M/S 39-512
>Beaverton, OR 97077-0001
>Phone: 503-627-5272 Fax: 503-627-5587
>http://www.tektronix.com http://www.pcb-designer.com
>
>It's my opinion, not Tektronix'
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: DesignerCouncil [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Jack C.
>Olson
>Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 15:23
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: [DC] PCB TECHNOLOGY (2 oz copper)
>
>
>I can't help but notice that the "working draft" of IPC-2152 is dated
>November 2002, and ThermalMan was created in December 2002.
>Has this project gone commercial on us now?
>
>There sure was a lot of hype about this a couple of years ago, and still
>nothing practical for the common man.
>
>Is the IPC document release being delayed now that it has been turned into
>a money-making machine?
>
>(If anyone is interested, the working draft on IPC can be downloaded by
>clicking the "DRAFTS" link here:
>http://www.ipc.org/committeedetail.asp?Committee=1-10b )
>
>Maybe the "history" IS becoming "sordid"?
>
>-=-=-=-
>
>Okay, that's two grouchy posts from me in one day... tomorrow I'm turning
>over a new leaf!
>
>Jack
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Happy Holden
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> 04/06/2005 04:20
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> "(Designers Re: [DC] PCB TECHNOLOGY (2 oz
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>The history of these charts is pretty funny, maybe sordid is the wrong
>word.
>
><snip>
>
>What Mike is creating is really a much better
>tool than the charts could ever address...
>
>Thanks for the comments.
>
>Happy Holden
>Westwood Associates
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