Hi Gary,
Didn't want to have a shot at you specifically, and I defer to your
experience - you've been at this longer than I have, and I thought that
would be impossible <tongue in cheek>!
Couldn't agree more with the comment about recruiters and hiring managers.
Another example of myopic short sightedness not seeing the wood for the
trees. Beats me how they get the big bucks yet have little clue about the
practical realities of board design and board designers. And the people that
do know what they're talking about are too far down the food chain to make a
difference.
(Sigh) 'Twas ever thus....
Cheers...
Andy K.
Within Australia (02) 9499 4853
International +61 2 9499 4853
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Boccoleri [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, 18 June 2008 8:50
To: (Designers Council Forum); Andy
Subject: RE: [DC] Cadence / Mentor News
I fully agree with you. When I made the statement in the post below I
was speaking from the standpoint of hiring managers and recruiters.
Almost all job postings are toll specific and in the case of Allegro
even revision specific. The best I saw was a job posting looking for 5
years of Allegro experience and 2 years of PCB design experience. How do
you do that? Three years as a librarian?
I started taping artworks in 1976. I was designing boards with
Conputervision in 1984. But since I have been using Expedition since
2000 I can't get a job at a company using Allegro because they are
afraid of the learning curve. The last time I used Allegro it just
wasn't that difficult.
Gary Boccoleri
Bivio Networks
925-924-8621
www.bivio.net
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: DesignerCouncil [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> >>Behalf Of Andy
> >>Sent: 2008-06-17 03:41
> >>To: [log in to unmask]
> >>Subject: Re: [DC] Cadence / Mentor News
> >>
> >>Couldn't agree with this comment less. We're board
> >>designers first, second and third. Tools are immaterial.
> >>
> >>A good carpenter can build a house using any one of a chain
> >>saw, a circular saw, a hand saw and even hammer and chisel.
> >>The knowledge lies in how to build the house, using the
> >>tool at hand is a simple matter of learning how.
> >>
> >>Same with board design. If you don't know how to design
> >>boards no tool is going to do it for you. As I keep saying
> >>to anyone who listens (increasingly rare event these days),
> >>using a cad tool and designing circuit boards are two very
> >>different things.
> >>
> >>Cheers...
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>Andy K.
> >>
> >>Within Australia (02) 9499 4853
> >>
> >>International +61 2 9499 4853
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: DesignerCouncil [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> >>Behalf Of Gary Boccoleri
> >>Sent: Wednesday, 18 June 2008 4:29
> >>To: [log in to unmask]
> >>Subject: Re: [DC] Cadence / Mentor News
> >>
> >>I think this will be a great thing for PCB designers. If
> >>they eventually blend the product lines then finding jobs
> >>will be much easier. Remember, you are not really a PCB
> >>designer you are a PADs designer or an Expedition Designer
> >>or an Allegro guy. All jobs are much more system specific
> >>than design knowledge and experience.
> >>
> >>Gary Boccoleri
> >>Bivio Networks
> >>925-924-8621
> >>www.bivio.net
> >>
> >>
> >>> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>> >>From: DesignerCouncil [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> >>On Behalf Of
> >>> >>Kathy Nargi-Toth
> >>> >>Sent: 2008-06-17 10:32
> >>> >>To: [log in to unmask]
> >>> >>Subject: [DC] Cadence / Mentor News
> >>> >>
> >>> >>Hi all,
> >>> >>
> >>> >>I guess you have all heard that Cadence is offering to
> >>buy Mentor
> >>> >>for $16/share, about a 30% bump over current stock
> >>value and closely
> >>> >>to the past year's peak price
> >>> >>(pcdandf.com/cms/content/view/4828/95/).
> >>> >>
> >>> >>This would be a big deal in the IC design space, but it
> >>could really
> >>> >>have a huge impact on PCB design.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>What's your take on this? Would a Cadence-Mentor merger
> >>be good or
> >>> >>bad for PCB designers?
> >>> >>
> >>> >>Thanks for the feedback.
> >>> >>
> >>> >>Kathy
> >>> >>
> >>> >>Kathy Nargi-Toth
> >>> >>Editor
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