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From: "Mark Larson" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 12:12 PM
Subject: Re: [DC] another viewpoint
> Talk about the pot calling the kettle black
>
> Puuhleeeze!
>
> You say you think we should tone down this sort of discussion, then you
> go on to pontificate on the wonderful job our president is doing
>
> If you guys don't want this sort of discussion it's pretty simple:
>
> DON"T START IT & DON"T CONTRIBUTE TO IT!!!!
>
> If you have not "contributed" to this topic then surely you have the
> right to ask that it end, but to give your opinion and then tell others
> they cannot, ...
>
> Well that's not very nice OR democratic
>
> Sorry Bill, the current administration had data from agents in the field
> that a domestic attack was about to take place, they had data from the
> field telling them that there were no weapons of mass destruction in
> Iraq
>
> They ignored it, and we have suffered the consequences, we are entangled
> in a war for which we have no immediate end or positive solution for
> which we pay over ONE BILLION dollars a week for a purpose the president
> LIED to us about. Families still are suffering the loss of their loved
> ones from the WTC domestic attack for which the rest of us are only now
> recovering; millions of people have lost their job.
>
> That may be good enough for you; it is not good enough for me, being
> gainfully employed does NOT drug me to reality
>
> BTW, you might want to wait to thank me when I am finished
>
BS . . .
Absolute BS . . .
Actually Mark, I've stayed out of this, and yes I realize that this is not the place
for this, but as I sit here and read this tripe and at the same time listen to Dan
Rather apologize on the evening news for using forged and false documents in his 60
Minutes attack on President Push, I think that is about time that you do a little
more honest research before you shoot your mouth off as above . . .
As starting point, I would recommend a PBS Frontline presentation (certainly not
your average Right Wing Media source) entitled "The man who knew", which is about a
former FBI Agent who died in the towers on 9/11, who was trying to close in on Bin
Laden, and in essence got drummed out of the FBI by the Clinton administration and
it's appointees . . .
Regarding the WMDs, are we talking about those that he actually claimed that he had,
or those he used on his own people, or those he attempted to (some say actually did)
use on us (our own troops) in '91, or those that went to Iran just before we invaded
(just like his elite Republican Guard and all of his Warplanes did in '91), or the
ones that he sent into Syria just before we invaded, which are yet to be heard from
. . .
Respecting an immediate end and positive solution, there actually is one, but the
question is whether or not we will actually resort to it . . .
You see, there is this little building made of rocks that is almost cubical in
shape, that has a large black meteorite set in silver in one corner, and let's just
say that if that little building were nuked and leveled and there was no more black
rock to kiss and worship, a whole lot people would see things a little differently .
. .
I'll just stop there, except to say: If they really want Jihad, we can play that
game too . . .
Respecting your total lack of a factual education on the run-up to the current
situation in Iraq, here is a little history for you below . . .
JaMi
Here are some quotes that you appear to have missed:
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to
develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them.
That is our bottom line." - *President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998*
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear
We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass
destruction program." - *President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998*
Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great
deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use
nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the
greatest security threat we face." - *Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998*
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten
times since 1983." - *Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser,
Feb 18,1998 *
"We urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the US
Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if
appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond
effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of
mass destruction programs." - *Letter to President Clinton, signed by
Sens. Carl Levin (D-MI), Tom Daschle (D-SD), John Kerry (D - MA), and
others Oct. 9,1998
*"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass
destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and
he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." - *Rep. Nancy
Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998 *
"Hussein has chosen to spend oil money on building weapons of mass
destruction and palaces for his cronies." - *Madeline Albright, Clinton
Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999*
"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons
programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear
programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In
addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless
using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range
missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." - *Letter
to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others,
December 5, 2001 *
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and
threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the
mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass
destruction and the means of delivering them." *- Sen. Carl Levin (D,
MI), Sept. 19, 2002
*"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical
weapons throughout his country." - *Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
*"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to
deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam
is in power." - *Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002 *
"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and
developing weapons of mass destruction." - *Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA),
Sept. 27, 2002
*"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are
confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and
biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to
build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities Intelligence
reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..." - *Sen. Robert
Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002
*"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the
authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because
I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his
hands is a real and grave threat to our security." - *John Kerry (D -
MA), Oct. 9, 2002 *
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working
aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear
weapons within the next five years .. We also should remember we have
always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of
weapons of mass destruction."- *Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10,
2002 *
"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years,
every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and
destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity.
This he has refused to do" - *Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002 *
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show
that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological
weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program.
He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including
Al Qaeda members.. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam
Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and
chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." -
*Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002 *
"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that
Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing
capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass
destruction." - *Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002 *
"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal,
murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a
particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to
miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to
his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass
destruction So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass
destruction is real" - *Senator John Kerry (D - MA), Jan. 23, 2003 **
* NOW MARK, ALONG WITH YOU, EVERY ONE OF THESE
ABOVE DEMOCRATS SAY THAT PRESIDENT BUSH LIED --
THAT THERE NEVER WERE ANY WEAPONS OF MASS
DESTRUCTION AND THAT HE TOOK US TO WAR
UNNECESSARILY!
GET REAL . . .
Interestingly, I see that you are not to far from Canada, and I can't help but
wonder if that colors your politics . . .
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