Hi Dave,
I hear you... that's why we try to have them scheduled in different areas of
the country to make it convenient... I know if there are more than 10 or so
that want to have a CID or CID+ workshop and test in their area they can
request it and see if we can send someone out to conduct it for you...
The CID and CID+ suffer from some of the same issues of making sure the
student is who they say they are, and we control the dissemination of the
tests and recording of the scores... very tightly.
Hard to do from a distance... unless we figure out a way to deal with the
controlled aspects of it... but a good idea non-the-less.
Best regards,
Bill Brooks - KG6VVP
PCB Design Engineer , C.I.D.+, C.I.I.
Tel: (760)597-1500 Ext 3772 Fax: (760)597-1510
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http://www.dtwc.com
http://pcbwizards.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Schaefer [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 2:12 PM
To: '(Designers Council Forum)'; 'Brooks,Bill'
Subject: RE: [DC] PCB education
Bill and all,
A little off topic, but I'd like to see a distance education implementation
for IPC Designer Certification. Certification is impossible for those of us
not in or near major centers where the certification exams / training are
regularly held.
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: DesignerCouncil [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Brooks,Bill
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 3:37 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [DC] PCB education
I could envision a service that provided a web 'portal' through which anyone
could have a net meeting type class by invitation, or sign up... You could
have students that were very far away study in class time on the web and
supplement with downloaded materials and curriculum... Pay with paypal or
credit card and take tests online... turn in homework using e-mail or some
text editor...
The hard part is identifying the student is for real and not an impostor...
Not sure how you would deal with that... of course a web camera at both ends
might overcome that. Hard to say...
How do they deal with that in your classes?
Bill Brooks - KG6VVP
PCB Design Engineer , C.I.D.+, C.I.I.
Tel: (760)597-1500 Ext 3772 Fax: (760)597-1510
e-mail:[log in to unmask]
http://www.dtwc.com
http://pcbwizards.com
-----Original Message-----
From: George Patrick [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 12:58 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [DC] PCB education
The classes I am taking are self-study: you study the books, do the labs,
ask questions of the instructor via email or interact with the other
students on a forum. Some of the classes have cd's with supporting
presentations.
My oldest son is studying IT over the web at a different school where they
use on-line NetMeeting sessions, but that would be difficult for students
more than a couple of time-zones away. He has to "attend" class at 11:00 PM
because the sessions are at 8:00 PM Pacific Time.
This process would not work for everybody, you have to be much more
disciplined to complete one of these degrees than you do at a "brick and
mortar" school. That might actually be better since the best PCB designers
are disciplined self-starters anyway :)
You can find a number of these schools thru the Accrediting organization
website (http://www.detc.org).
--
George Patrick
Tektronix, Inc.
Central Engineering, PCB Design Group
P.O. Box 500, M/S 39-512
Beaverton, OR 97077-0001
Phone: 503-627-5272 Fax: 503-627-5587
http://www.tektronix.com http://www.pcb-designer.com
It's my opinion, not Tektronix'
-----Original Message-----
From: DesignerCouncil [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of
Brooks,Bill
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 12:28
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [DC] PCB education
I like it...
That model would work well just about anywhere in the US.. even overseas.
Are they live classes or recorded?
Can you get me more info on the particulars of setting it up?
Bill Brooks - KG6VVP
PCB Design Engineer , C.I.D.+, C.I.I.
Tel: (760)597-1500 Ext 3772 Fax: (760)597-1510
e-mail:[log in to unmask]
http://www.dtwc.com
http://pcbwizards.com
-----Original Message-----
From: George Patrick [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 12:15 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [DC] PCB education
The problem as I see it: There are too few potential jobs in most areas to
allow educational programs to support themselves. There are only a handful
of electronics companies in areas other than the coasts, the northeast, etc.
Most colleges and technical schools are not going to be interested in
starting classes that they lose money on, just an economic fact of life.
There are options, however.
I am currently attending an online university to get my CS degree. These
schools would be an ideal place to have PCB Design training offered, as they
don't have to build campuses and hire teachers to move to these campuses.
The students can be ANYWHERE (My school specializes in active-duty military
and veterans) and the instructors can be literally on the other side of the
world. The biggest issue would be software cost, but there are low cost
packages out there that would give students some basic CAD experience.
Heck, if it caught on the big boys might be willing to kick in time-limited
licenses at major student discounts (or free) to support students wanting to
learn their software (after all, it might sell more seats).
Something to think about? <:^)
--
George Patrick
Tektronix, Inc.
Central Engineering, PCB Design Group
P.O. Box 500, M/S 39-512
Beaverton, OR 97077-0001
Phone: 503-627-5272 Fax: 503-627-5587
http://www.tektronix.com http://www.pcb-designer.com
It's my opinion, not Tektronix'
-----Original Message-----
From: DesignerCouncil [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Kitty
Hines
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 10:44
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [DC] PCB education
Sounds AWESOME! I wish there were more college level classes taught here.
California seems to be the only state that's begun to do that.
-----Original Message-----
From: DesignerCouncil [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Jack
C. Olson
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 12:34 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: [DC] PCB education
Looks like someone is investing in the future, eh?
-=-=-=-
Taipe --The Taiwan Printed Circuit Association (TPCA) celebrated
the grand opening of its Printed Circuit Board Institute. The
ribbon cutting took place at the association's TPCA Show, which
opened yesterday and runs through Saturday.
The new Taiwanese institute will work on two tracks. The first
track, Industry Personnel Training, will focus on training, creating
a global PCB library, publishing PCB textbooks in Chinese, on-line
educational activities, PCB engineer certification. The second track
is Industry/University Cooperation, wherein the Taiwan Printed
Circuit Board Institute will outsourse joint projects between
industry and area universities, will grant scholarships for
outstanding PCB theses and student performance, and will create
new college-level PCB courses.
CircuiTree Asian Editor Frank Bai, one of the founders of this
institute, explained that it was formed not as an R&D vehicle, but
as a way to impart practical knowledge to the Taiwanese PCB
industry. "If you want to do a better job, with a higher yield, you
need to give education to students. We are trying to write several
good textbooks.... We will give some scholarships to college
stundents. We have set out to plant seeds in our industry."
Bai also commented that, in light of fierce Chinese competition,
the formation of a Taiwanese PCB Institute was imperative. "We
have some worries. If we don't do this, the Chinese might do it in
China. We want to lead, not follow."
Jack C. Olson
10G Circuit Board Designer
(630) 754-2431
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