George is correct in his first statement. There is a terminology issue going on here.
There are no designers on the IPC Board of Directors. There are however, designers on the Designer's Council Board of Directors, which is an entirely different board. We have asked for representation on the IPC board.
Susy
---- George Patrick <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> So there is now a voting DC member on the IPC board who is not an IPC employee?
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> George Patrick
> Tektronix, Inc.
> Central Engineering, EDS Applications Support
> P.O. Box 500, M/S 39-512
> Beaverton, OR 97077-0001
> * 503-627-5272 (voice) * 503-627-5587 (fax)
> http://www.tektronix.com<http://www.tektronix.com/> http://www.pcb-designer.com<http://www.pcb-designer.com/>
>
> "Off-Grid and Proud of it!"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Barbara Burcham [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 11:24
> To: [log in to unmask]; Patrick, George H
> Subject: RE: Designers Council Membership-Coupon Usage
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> Dear George,
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> There is, actually, a group whose task it is to represent Designers to the IPC. I only know about them because I have a friend who is a member of this group. They are not elected by Designers, however. Maybe they once were, but now it is a group of willing volunteers who have been asked to serve. The existing members invite new members as positions open. Once upon a time, the IPC had a person who actually interacted with this group and listened to their concerns and attempted to do good work. Now there is Jean Hebeisen. Jean is suppose to be the lesion between designers and the IPC. However, her actions would be interpreted otherwise. The National BOD of the Designer's Council has their hands tied by her. I am concerned that the IPC's untimate response to all of this will be to dissolve the Designer's Council rather than listen to us and implement improvements.....but we shall see what we shall see.....
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> This gets better.
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> When I first sent this reply, Anne Marie Mulvihill responded. What follows is her response to me, and only me.
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> Dear Barbara,
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> Sounds like you had some negative experience with IPC and the Designers Council quite some time ago.
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> Since then, there have been quite a few changes: the list of discounted documents has been expanded; there are new members in your local Designers Council Chapter and the Designers Council Executive Board.
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> IPC Director of Professional Development Jean Hebeisen has been overseeing Designers Council for the past 5 years - but does not recollect speaking with you.
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> Please give me a call at your earliest convenience, so that we might have the opportunity to give you a positive impression.
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> Very truly yours,
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> Anne Marie Mulvihill
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> Professional Development-Program Manager
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> IPC-Association Connecting Electronics Industries
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> 3000 Lakeside Drive, Suite 309 S
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> Bannockburn, IL 60015
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> +1 847 597 2827 tel
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> +1 847 615 7105 fax
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> [log in to unmask]<http://intranet.ipc.org/intranet/graphics/IPC%20Graphics%20Documents/IPC_ID_Guidelines.pdf>
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> www.ipc.org<http://www.ipc.org>
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> So, I replied to her (and a few members of the National BOD of the Designer's Council) as follows:
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> Dear Anne,
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> Thank you for your reply.
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> I have just perused the new IPC web site and find it much improved.
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> You are correct. I have negative reactions to the IPC.
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> I have worked as a designer for over 35 years and became involved with the IPC approx. 18 years ago. During that time, I have purchased many of the standards, out of my own pocket, so that they are in my possession and available to me for reference at any point in time.
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> I have been a member of the Houston Designer's Council for most of those years and an officer for many of those years. I have never worked for a company that could/would bare the cost of a company membership.
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> I consider the IPC to be an organization that uses industry volunteers for the development of standards and then profits from what they receive for free by selling the brilliance of other minds to the electronic community. I find no honor in that, or in the cost of standards, or the restriction of standards usage.
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> I am discouraged by the activities of Jean Hebeisen in her lack of commitment to supporting designers, her failure to listen to the Designer's Council National BOD, and her disregard for any efforts put forth by the BOD. She does not represent the concerns of the people that the IPC has hired her to represent. The IPC only hears her side of any story and never hears from us. As long as she is in a position to say to anyone at the IPC that she knows what designers want or need, she is reporting what she thinks and not what she has learned. It is my understanding that the way Jean handles dissention among the BOD is to threaten to shut down the Designer's Council. She requires them to be a rubber-stamp group to what she wants. That sure does not represent what designers want or need.
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> I have, in fact, had an email exchange with Jean several years ago and she snowballed through what I was trying to say to her. That is the same feedback that I get from everyone not working to the IPC.
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> Our local chapter had only 3 officers, President - Donald Kyle, Vice-president - Susy Webb, and Secretary - Barbara Burcham (that's me). Susy and I have resigned and are no longer committed to dragging the local chapter along on our own. Our president is completely inactive and one of our old inactive presidents is still getting membership information from our bank and from the IPC. No one who has been active in recent years, even knows who the new members your referenced are and have no way to contact them.
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> I am not interested in political correctness. I am interested in the IPC actually supporting all the people it expects to serve them and it professed to serve.
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> Regards,
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> Barbara Burcham
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> Yeee-Hawww!!! Go for it, Barbara :)
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> <OPINION>
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> As long as the Designer's Council is "owned" by the IPC, and the IPC remains primarily a trade association of board manufacturers, this is the way it will be. One thing you didn't note: There is not any representation on the IPC board for the DC, so all decisions by the IPC board about the DC has no official comment by the DC membership. As a result, the leadership of the DC is beholden not to the members but to certain "friends" on the board whose interest is not necessarily with the membership.
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> </OPINION>
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> I agree with you 100%, Barbara. I had already significantly reduced my involvement with the local chapter of the Designers Council, and will not be renewing my membership when it comes time to "re-up".
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> (Note that this is MY opinion, not that of my employer, its parent, or any associated organization..)
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> --
> George Patrick
> Tektronix, Inc.
> Central Engineering, EDS Applications Support
> P.O. Box 500, M/S 39-512
> Beaverton, OR 97077-0001
> Å 503-627-5272 (voice) Æ 503-627-5587 (fax)
> http://www.tektronix.com<http://www.tektronix.com/> http://www.pcb-designer.com<http://www.pcb-designer.com/>
>
> "Off-Grid and Proud of it!"
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: DesignerCouncil [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Barbara Burcham
> Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 06:54
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [DC] Designers Council Membership-Coupon Usage
>
> I have been an individual member of the IPC Designer's Council for 19 years....but, no more.
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> Because:
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> 1. As a designer, I need to know the specifications for fabrication and assembly of any board that I design.
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> a. Several years ago, I attempted to use my member discount to purchase specifications for fab and assembly. My discount use for these documents was denied because some fool at the IPC had decided that I did not need that information to do my job. They are so wrong. Really wrong. Awfully wrong.
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> 2. The national leadership of the Designer's Council stopped listening to or interacting with the Council representatives, thus making the Designer's Council ineffective in accomplishing anything that benefited designers.
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> Apparently, they think that they do not need us, nor do they care about us or our function in the overall process. Again, they are so wrong, really wrong, awfully wrong. An excellent design is the beginning of an excellent, cost effective product.
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> How this is all suppose to work, is blind to most designers.
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> Does everyone know that you, as a member, are to have a representative to the National Designer's Council? If you know, do you ever talk to your representative about your concerns and then get feedback about the Council's national activities?
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> Do you know that our requests fall on deaf ears or meetings that are held once or twice a year at conferences?
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> IMHO,
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> Barbara Burcham, C.I.D.
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> From: DesignerCouncil [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Anne Marie Mulvihill
> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 3:39 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: [DC] Designers Council Membership-Coupon Usage
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>
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> Dear Designers,
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> Please allow me to offer some clarification:
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> The IPC Designers Council is for individuals only.
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> Currently, the charge for annual membership is $50. New and renewed members receive a $50 Designers Council Coupon; it may be applied to purchase of any IPC document, and to registration for design-related events.
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> Designers Council members also receive discounts on an ongoing basis: on design-related IPC documents and programs. You will find the list of documents at http://dc.ipc.org/documents/DiscountedDocuments.pdf.
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> Membership in the IPC-Association Connecting Electronics Industries is for organizations, with site-specific membership fees based upon number of locations. IPC member companies have the opportunity to participate in and access reporting on industry trends, and to receive discounts on all IPC documents and programs.
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> For complete information about the IPC Designers Council, please cut and paste this into your browser: http://dc.ipc.org.
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> Feel free to contact me directly with any questions.
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> Very truly yours,
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> Anne Marie Mulvihill
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> Professional Development Program Manager - Designers Council
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> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
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