I believe the bigger question is "Would standardization hurt or help", not
"DO we standardize".
Remember, each company is unique, and you have to use what is most
productive in your situation.
Dennis Beerman, CID
Alliant Techsystems
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From: Cyrus Ringle [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 3:06 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: [DC] Drill symbol standardization
1) Does your company use standard hole size symbols across all
designs?
A) NO
2) If so, does your software accommodate this, or is it a manual
process for you?
3) If so, do your end users (design, manufacturing or process
engineers) find this to be valuable?
A) The engineers do not check thinking they will be the same.
Checking is done using DXF and prints that call out the specific
ones "Mounting
holes" with a callout and do not rely on a chart.
The chart is for all non specific holes like vias, dips, discrete
etc.
Cyrus Ringle CID
IPC Certified Interconnect Designer
Sr. CAD Specialist
Inter-Tel, Inc. http://www.inter-tel.com
7300 W. Boston St.
Chandler, AZ 85226
(480) 961-2263
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President of the Greater Phoenix Designers Council
Ron James <[log in to unmask]> on 03/07/2000 12:13:03 PM
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Subject: [DC] Drill symbol standardization
I would like to take an informal poll of other designers on the
lists
to see how many companies use standardized drill symbols on
fabrication drawings. (i.e. always use the same symbol for
.021
holes, etc, on all fab drawings for all designs.)
We changed from PCAD to Orcad a couple of years ago. In PCAD
we built
the padstacks to include the symbol, so by default used a
standard
symbol for each size. Orcad handles drill symbols by
automatically
assigning them and creating a chart in the database (a very
nice
feature from my point of view.) The symbol/size association
will be
different from one design to another. Also, Orcad is limited
to 46
different symbols, and we are already pushing that number of
drill
sizes for our entire library. This means that if we want to
use
standard symbols across all designs, we will have to bypass
Orcad's
automatic symbol assignment and come up with a very manual
process.
This question is being prompted by engineers who really liked
the
standardized symbols, and feel that their ability to check
drawings is
made significantly easier by that system. They have been
burned in
the past by hole size issues and feel that such errors will be
more
difficult to catch if they can no longer compare drawings at a
glance
(new vs old revisions, or two unrelated designs that use the
same
parts, etc.)
To sum up my questions:
1) Does your company use standard hole size symbols across all
designs?
2) If so, does your software accommodate this, or is it a
manual
process for you?
3) If so, do your end users (design, manufacturing or process
engineers) find this to be valuable?
Thanks for any and all assistance. Please pardon the
duplication
between lists.
Ron James, CID
UT Electronic Controls
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